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Discussion between T. Ijaz and Zahid Aziz

From October 2003 to March 2004

Final Note from Zahid Aziz, March 22, 2004:

Having posted the summary above by T. Ijaz, this debate is now closed.

While not re-opening any of the issues, I note that his style in several cases is that first he puts forward a
standpoint, then when I refute it he adopts my standpoint, and starts putting it forward as if it were his own and as if I am the one who doesn't accept it! Example: In his first paragraph of his summary he says that Muslim saints are of a greater rank than many of
the Israelite prophets and that according to the Promised Messiah thousands of these saints attained the
rank of prophethood. In fact, it was I who made these points in refutation of his posts when he kept on
highlighting that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the only one chosen to be called nabi and referring to
sainthood as being a "mere muhaddas".
Another example is that he first quoted Maulana Nur-ud-Din’s letter to argue that we must not "make a
distinction between those who do not believe in a law bearing prophet and those who do not believe in a
non-law bearing one", and he highlighted these words. When I showed that his own Jamaat has not been
holding this stand for the past fifty years, he now says that Maulana Nur-ud-Din meant that there is a
distinction between them and that "the disbelievers of the Promised Messiah do not have the same status as
disbelievers in Prophet Muhammad", the opposite of what he was arguing before.
T. Ijaz has offered to readers to answer their questions. But his answers carry no authority because he
has himself said that he does not speak as a representative of his Jamaat. Nor does he have any personal
expertise in these issues, as shown by his changes of stance when he learnt things he didn’t know before.